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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The CrunchBang Linux Disclaimer]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>CrunchBang Linux could possibly make your computer go CRUNCH! BANG!</p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;m running #!Crunch on 2 Laptops since over a year.<br />One under Squeeze, and one under Wheezy and nothing!! go CRUNCH BANG never.:lol:<br />So #! is the best system for me, great Work.<br />Greetings DocHifi</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[DocHifi]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/7379/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-10-11T17:13:27Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>This is a fantastic disclaimer. Though I must admit, when I first started to dable with Linux, I was attracted to crunchbang but at the time I needed a stable machine (I was living in Africa with limited internet access). After moving back to the US and after becoming much more comfortable with Linux (that&#039;s all I use now) I finally did give #! a try and I love it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[zhogan85]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/12229/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-10-06T15:52:53Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jeffreyC wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If you are not the sort of person who will say &quot;If it breaks I will just fix it&quot; then the disclaimer is a good thing, as it will keep you moving on.</p></blockquote></div><p>I agree. It also brings out the curiosity in people, as well as a typical-linux-user trait of wanting to see if it really-will-break........ so that we can tinker and fix it :)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[rich]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/616/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-09-12T10:35:08Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If you are not the sort of person who will say &quot;If it breaks I will just fix it&quot; then the disclaimer is a good thing, as it will keep you moving on.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jeffreyC]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/6875/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-08-17T01:19:15Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I thought the disclaimer was its mission statement.&nbsp; Overall, I don&#039;t think crunchbang needs to be more popularized, since word of mouth travels faster than a disclaimer and this forum seems to be getting a steady stream of new users on a weekly basis (excluding bots).</p><p>@El Koraco - post 43<br />Yes, you are correct.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[sunfizz98]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/10251/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-08-17T00:38:09Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>CBizgreat! wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What&#039;s the point of coming out with an xfce ( full DE ) version of #! if the guy behind it doesn&#039;t want to build up the userbase ?</p></blockquote></div><p>Actually I think it is the exact opposite; Corenominal prefers Xfce but keeps developing the Openbox version for the benefit of people like me. :)</p><p>CrunchBang has had an Xfce desktop since at least 2008 when I started using it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[snowpine]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/5/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-08-16T23:53:05Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The CrunchBang Linux Disclaimer]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>CBizgreat! wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It&#039;s easy to say there&#039;s no agenda. But facts seem to say otherwise. What&#039;s the point of coming out with an xfce ( full DE ) version of #! if the guy behind it doesn&#039;t want to build up the userbase ? Don&#039;t blame him either ... If he devotes 5,000hrs of his time and effort to maintain a nix distro of course he wants more people to use it. That 5,000hrs is the same whether 200, 200,000 or 2 million people use his creation. Don&#039;t think it&#039;s about &quot;hand holding&quot;. It&#039;s about getting some well deserved recognition for an achievement or all the time, effort and energy someone devoted. Hopefully at some point, maybe even some $ for their efforts.</p></blockquote></div><p>You need to have a look around the forums some more, read corenominal&#039;s posts and see the type of person he is. Philip uses both Openbox and Xfce on different machines. That&#039;s the only reason there is two versions. Currently he&#039;s back on Xfce but recently he was quite fixated with Ubuntu&#039;s Unity. Like many of us he moves around checking out things and keeping up to date with what&#039;s happening in the Linux world. Out of that comes CrunchBang. Nothing more or less and no hidden agenda.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[MarvinSuggs]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/13/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-08-16T23:44:05Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>CBizgreat! wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If he devotes 5,000hrs of his time and effort to maintain a nix distro of course he wants more people to use it.</p></blockquote></div><p>Not exactly:<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>corenominal wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>benj1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>corenominal wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>For what it is worth, I have no real idea how many people are using it, and I think I would like to keep it that way. :D</p></blockquote></div><p>because you think the count will be extraordinarily high, or embarrassingly low ?</p></blockquote></div><p>Because if I knew how many actual users there were, I probably would not sleep overly well. CrunchBang was never really supposed to be anything other than a personal project. I think it is great that other people enjoy using it, but it still makes me feel nervous to think that they actually do. :|</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[anonymous]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/77/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-08-16T23:39:32Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>lol ... votes for Awebb !! I was stirred and moved, even if it was the wrong speech ! D:</p><p>Dunno ... am not the worlds foremost FOSS expert. Errrr, don&#039;t tell anybody ... but not the worlds leading anything expert. ): Will deny it though ... and like to tell everybody I know everything. </p><p>I don&#039;t look down on winblows users, am one. Or feel holier than thou/they. Microsoft made the choice for most of them anyway. Security and windows ? Errrr ... not so much, lol. Or at least the stats and 404 billion viruses and malcode that targets windows software seems to indicate using M$ products isn&#039;t an act of security. :D</p><p>It&#039;s easy to say there&#039;s no agenda. But facts seem to say otherwise. What&#039;s the point of coming out with an xfce ( full DE ) version of #! if the guy behind it doesn&#039;t want to build up the userbase ? Don&#039;t blame him either ... If he devotes 5,000hrs of his time and effort to maintain a nix distro of course he wants more people to use it. That 5,000hrs is the same whether 200, 200,000 or 2 million people use his creation. Don&#039;t think it&#039;s about &quot;hand holding&quot;. It&#039;s about getting some well deserved recognition for an achievement or all the time, effort and energy someone devoted. Hopefully at some point, maybe even some $ for their efforts.</p><p>I mean if Bill farkin, nerdy sleazebag Gates can stack up 65 billion spitting out crapware to the masses. Then all the gnu/nix devs who make great software are surely entitled to something for their time and effort ... right ?</p><p>Tis no skin off my nose either way. Just like CB, think it&#039;s great linux and wouldn&#039;t hurt my feelings to see it hit the headlines. If the guy behind it so desires anyway. I know it&#039;s his toy, I&#039;m just allowed to play with it, shrugs. Did I mention I babble a lot and often have ignorant opinions to share with anyone willing to listen ? </p><p>:D</p><p>GIVE DA GIFT OF CRUNCHBANG !</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[CBizgreat!]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/11394/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-08-16T23:26:04Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The disclaimer is awesome. It sums up the vibe around #! perfectly. No need to entice new users to the distro with sweet promises, you&#039;re only likely to get a lot of &quot;PLEASE HELP&quot; posts and false expectations. Gawd, if another Linux forum were to disintegrate into &quot;Why I&#039;m going back to Windows&quot; threads, I&#039;d probably just install BSD.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[el_koraco]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/11351/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-08-16T22:49:27Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Meh, political correctness is nothing you need worry about when talking about Linux, Opensource, F(L)OSS (like in dental*). Oh, excuse me, holy RMS, of course I meant WILDEBEAST/Linux! Really… I don&#039;t see a reason to streamline the &quot;facts&quot;, just to hold hands for possible insecure users. There is no benefit for a Linux distro, if masses of inexperienced new users, who do not really contribute and use up resources instead, flood the forums. If they&#039;re ready, they will come. Browse the forums a little more, you will find out that most active crunchbangers are do-it-yourself-types who are not afraid of testing half-broken software and like solving riddles. Most of them either have not enough time or knowledge to maintain a more manual OS, like Gentoo, Slackware or Arch, but, given the circumstances, every one of them would grow into a more self-sustaining role.</p><p>If you say, that the disclaimer has direct impact on the target audience, then I say that&#039;s one more reason to keep it that way. There is enough holding hands on the technology market, that&#039;s why we all look down so easily on them bad bad Windows users in the first place. They traded their freedom for &#039;security&#039;, wrapped in written words, coming with a free finger to point at someone else as soon as something goes wrong.</p><p>Excuse me, but politically correctly wrapping a blunt fact into soft words just to ease the sensitive souls of a few anxious neophytes, betrays the very foundation of our wonderful belief. Oh. Wrong speech *browses speechfolder*</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Awebb]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/2661/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-08-16T22:33:49Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>lol ... one more, then will butt out. What else are the majority of net forums for if not babbling n opinions ?</p><p>They all say it might not work. ie: X linux is free software, distributed under the GPL ( Gnu public license ). It&#039;s offered without express or implied warranty ... etc.</p><p>Same thing as may make your computer go CRUNCH ... BANG !!! Only a ton less intimidating and confidence inspiring, lol. Goes without saying eh. Going out of the way to say hey, this could screw your computer all up. Is obviously not something the vast majority of PC users of the world will like or be attracted by. :D</p><p>Appreciate what the guy behind #! has done. Personal opinion, distro&#039;s like this one show what even 1 skilled software developer can do with the mountains of opensource software freely floating around. Oh well ... and yet, ya google linux and ubuntu&#039;s homepage comes up ? Bloated, often buggy, canonical&#039;s weird tendencies ... Unity this ... reversing windows controls for no apparent reason, lol ... strange world.</p><p>End pointless babbling:</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[CBizgreat!]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/11394/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-08-16T21:59:40Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Truth to tell the disclaimer is what attracted me to CrunchBang.<br />I like the idea of a developer who says that it may not work, rather than one who acts like it is perfect.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jeffreyC]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/6875/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-08-16T21:40:18Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yep, noticed after I&#039;d posted and did read it. </p><p>The Dev behind the distro does the work and if he&#039;s not concerned with #!&#039;s popularity or increasing the userbase for it. Guess ... that&#039;s all that really matters. None of my bizness really. Just offered the feedback cause remembered the effect that disclaimer had on me and it&#039;s been mentioned by others who looked #! over. Not the end of the world either way eh.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[CBizgreat!]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/11394/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-08-16T21:36:35Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Proof that #! can, indeed, make your computer go &quot;Crunch! Bang!&quot;</p><p><a href="http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/14613/distupgrade-breaks-x/">http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic &#133; -breaks-x/</a><br /><a href="http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/14603/backports-weather/">http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic &#133; s-weather/</a></p><p>I like the disclaimer and think it should stay as-is. :)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[snowpine]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/5/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-08-16T21:34:24Z</updated>
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