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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>My bad, thought we were talkin&#039; 9.04 for a second. :)</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-07-31T16:49:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First impressions of Alpha 2 Openbox]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>^ So whence comes the &quot;invalid implementation&quot; message? :/&nbsp; Johnraff isn&#039;t the first person to mention this issue with update-manager here.</p><p>@johnraff:&nbsp; I don&#039;t know if you can specify colors for most, but the vast majority of xterm emulators allow you to change how colors are displayed.&nbsp; If you&#039;re using Terminator, the Linux color scheme is a little more subdued than the Tango scheme.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pvsage]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-07-31T16:45:56Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First impressions of Alpha 2 Openbox]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Update manager reads the repositories from /etc/apt/sources.list and so it is irrelevant whether the devs are aware of CrunchBang or not.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-07-31T16:33:19Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First impressions of Alpha 2 Openbox]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>pvsage wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>johnraff wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>(There&#039;s also an app called &quot;most&quot; btw.)</p></blockquote></div><p>Yup, some of us have been using that to get prettier man pages:<br /><a href="http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/2403/color-man-pages/">http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic &#133; man-pages/</a></p></blockquote></div><p>So you have! Not bad, but a little bit gaudy - is there any way to tweak the colours - tone them down a bit?</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>johnraff wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>*) I installed update-manager and its dependencies and recommends, but when I try to run it I get </p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>[CRITICAL:UpdateManager.Application] Invalid implemention name CrunchBang</code></pre></div><p>I know Update Manager isn&#039;t standard Statler issue, but I like to use it, and this problem might have implications with other apps too, dpending on what that message means...</p></blockquote></div><p>I think that message just means that the Debian maintainers of update-manager haven&#039;t told it about the CrunchBang repository.</p></blockquote></div><p>Update Manager works on Crunchbang 9.04, so the Ubuntu devs have added data about Crunchbang?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[johnraff]]></name>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/353/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-31T16:27:58Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First impressions of Alpha 2 Openbox]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Having finally set up Statler a2 (Openbox), I have to say how much I appreciated the cb-welcome script (particularly the LAMP stack setup!) - it made several things really easy and is much appreciated! :-)</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-07-30T19:48:51Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First impressions of Alpha 2 Openbox]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>johnraff wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>15) This comes up on IceWeasel so I suppose it&#039;s a GTK theme thing, but if you go Edit&gt;Preferences or Tools&gt;Add-ons the inactive tabs are almost the same colour as the text on them, making the label unreadable.</p></blockquote></div><p>Confirmation screenshot (this is with Shiki-Statler-Dark):</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://omploader.org/vNTM5dA/2010-07-30--1280504996_607x253_scrot.png" alt="http://omploader.org/vNTM5dA/2010-07-30--1280504996_607x253_scrot.png" /></span></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-07-30T15:54:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First impressions of Alpha 2 Openbox]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Another theme thing:</p><p>15) This comes up on IceWeasel so I suppose it&#039;s a GTK theme thing, but if you go Edit&gt;Preferences or Tools&gt;Add-ons the inactive tabs are almost the same colour as the text on them, making the label unreadable.</p><p>Re #12 (I&#039;ve added numbers :) ) - the Synaptic &quot;software souurces&quot;/&quot;repositories&quot; thing - the gui app that does it is called software-properties-gtk and it&#039;s available in Debian and Ubuntu both, and comes with Statler, unless it came in as a dependency of something I installed. You can launch it on #!9.04 with &#039;gksu software-properties-gtk&#039; but that command on Statler alpha2 gives this error:<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>(gksu:3716): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion `str != NULL&#039; failed</code></pre></div><p>So there seems to be some bug there at the moment.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-07-30T05:29:43Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I keep forgetting stuff I should have put in:</p><p>13) Many people have already reported the &quot;missing OS in Grub menu&quot; problem, and I also posted it <a href="http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/post/78978/#p78978">here</a> but it&#039;s important, because if you don&#039;t know it can be fixed by running &#039;sudo update-grub&#039; you might bring in some heavy-duty tools and mess up your system even more...</p><p>14) Now&nbsp; I often miss something important and obvious, but I can&#039;t see any reason why lxsession should be in autostart.sh or in the system at all. If you start it it seems to exit immediately and leaves no processes running. If I&#039;ve got it right ( :rolleyes: ) it needs to be launched with the option &#039;-session <em>sessionname</em>&#039; which directs it to some file in /etc/xdg/lxsession/<em>sessionname</em> which will list some processes to be started up. Now, in Crunchbang that stuff is all handled by autostart.sh anyway. The session-saving features of lxsession were dropped a couple of years ago because they were too buggy, so now the app serves no function at all... (as far as I can see). Feel free to put me right on this.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-07-26T17:53:15Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>bozhkov wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>@johnraff, because something is not quite like in ubuntu, that does not mean it&#039;s &quot;primitive&quot;.</p></blockquote></div><p>I agree completely, but in this case the option I had available in Synaptic on Alpha 1 was very little different from editing the sources.list file directly. I think it&#039;s fair to call that &quot;primitive&quot; compared with what the Ubuntu version offered.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>the option to edit repositories is available in synaptic.</p></blockquote></div><p> It wasn&#039;t for me - that&#039;s the bug I was reporting! When I tried to access that option I just got a popup window saying &quot;the repositories have changed&quot;, but no access to the repositories.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-07-26T17:37:09Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>@johnraff, because for an obvious reason something is not quite like in ubuntu, that does not mean it&#039;s &quot;primitive&quot;. Sorry, but the option to edit repositories is available in synaptic. The separate &quot;Software Sources&quot; entry in menus is just wasting space, and by the way, it is available in full-blown gnome desktop in debian.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[bozhkov]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-07-24T17:21:53Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>^ Sorry, I thought you were referring to whatever it is in the *buntu version of Synaptic that checks for available mirrors.&nbsp; (I understand there&#039;s a CLI app for this available in Debian, but I couldn&#039;t get that to work with Statler a1.)&nbsp; You can&#039;t edit the repos in that dialog box?&nbsp; That is weird.&nbsp; I never really install anything via Synaptic; I only use it to look at the more detailed info about packages that isn&#039;t shown by aptitude or apt-get.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pvsage]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-07-24T16:43:02Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>pvsage wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>johnraff wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>*) I couldn&#039;t edit the repositories from Synaptic&#039;s menu ( Settings&gt;Repositories ). It just puts up a &quot;repositories changed&quot; popup. I know that interface isn&#039;t much more user-friendly than just editing /etc/apt/sources.list, but still...</p></blockquote></div><p>I think being able to edit repos from the Synaptic menu is added by Canonical, and is therefore only available in *buntu and distros downstream from *buntu like Mint.</p></blockquote></div><p> But the entry is there in the menu, in the Debian version. What&#039;s more, in Alpha1 it worked, although the interface is nowhere near as easy to use as the Ubuntu version. I think there&#039;s an Ubuntu app called &quot;software sources&quot; or something that plugs in there; in Debian it&#039;s much more primitive.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>The inline search function introduced in Jaunty is another Canonical enhancement to Synaptic that I miss, but am willing to live without.</p></blockquote></div><p>Likewise.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[johnraff]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-07-24T16:16:04Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First impressions of Alpha 2 Openbox]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>johnraff wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>(There&#039;s also an app called &quot;most&quot; btw.)</p></blockquote></div><p>Yup, some of us have been using that to get prettier man pages:<br /><a href="http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/2403/color-man-pages/">http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic &#133; man-pages/</a></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>johnraff wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>*) When unmounting USB sticks, exo-mount puts up a popup about data being written and to wait, but it has to be closed by clicking &quot;OK&quot;. Meanwhile the notification daemon has already put up a passive window about the stick being safe to remove. A minor irritation which didn&#039;t happen under Ubuntu - maybe Debian will fix it eventually.</p></blockquote></div><p>I agree, that popup window is annoying.&nbsp; Anyone know how to tell it to shut the heck up already? :P</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>johnraff wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>*) I installed update-manager and its dependencies and recommends, but when I try to run it I get </p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>[CRITICAL:UpdateManager.Application] Invalid implemention name CrunchBang</code></pre></div><p>I know Update Manager isn&#039;t standard Statler issue, but I like to use it, and this problem might have implications with other apps too, dpending on what that message means...</p></blockquote></div><p>I think that message just means that the Debian maintainers of update-manager haven&#039;t told it about the CrunchBang repository.&nbsp; Maybe if there&#039;s enough interest in this package, Philip might be persuaded to put a custom version in the CrunchBang repo.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>johnraff wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>*) I couldn&#039;t edit the repositories from Synaptic&#039;s menu ( Settings&gt;Repositories ). It just puts up a &quot;repositories changed&quot; popup. I know that interface isn&#039;t much more user-friendly than just editing /etc/apt/sources.list, but still...</p></blockquote></div><p>I think being able to edit repos from the Synaptic menu is added by Canonical, and is therefore only available in *buntu and distros downstream from *buntu like Mint.&nbsp; The inline search function introduced in Jaunty is another Canonical enhancement to Synaptic that I miss, but am willing to live without.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pvsage]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-07-24T07:09:43Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Cool, if all it takes to get that man behaviour is to install less then I&#039;m all for it! :)<br />So that&#039;s why &#039;man man&#039; said nothing about how to search man pages - it&#039;s in &#039;man less&#039;.<br />(There&#039;s also an app called &quot;most&quot; btw.) </p><p>Couple more things I forgot to mention:</p><p>7) During installation, Debian said there were some &quot;missing non-free firmware files&quot;:<br />iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode<br />iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode<br />and asked if I wanted it to look for them on the hard disk. I clicked &quot;yes&quot;, things seemed to go OK, and wireless seems to be working fine, but there was no response about whether those files were found or not. Maybe they were included on the Crunchbang iso?</p><p>8) When unmounting USB sticks, exo-mount puts up a popup about data being written and to wait, but it has to be closed by clicking &quot;OK&quot;. Meanwhile the notification daemon has already put up a passive window about the stick being safe to remove. A minor irritation which didn&#039;t happen under Ubuntu - maybe Debian will fix it eventually.</p><p>9) I can&#039;t check this any more because while trying to get the network working I replaced network-manager with wicd ( the problem turned out not to be network-manager&#039;s fault :rolleyes: ) but in order to make changes to network-manager&#039;s settings you had to run &#039;gksu nm-connection-editor&#039;. You should get a popup authorization window from nm-applet when making changes.</p><p>10) The Shiki-Statler-Dark theme is very nice-looking, but some bits are hard to see, like scroll bars. Just a little bit more contrast there maybe?</p><p>11) I installed update-manager and its dependencies and recommends, but when I try to run it I get </p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>[CRITICAL:UpdateManager.Application] Invalid implemention name CrunchBang</code></pre></div><p>I know Update Manager isn&#039;t standard Statler issue, but I like to use it, and this problem might have implications with other apps too, dpending on what that message means...</p><p>12) I couldn&#039;t edit the repositories from Synaptic&#039;s menu ( Settings&gt;Repositories ). It just puts up a &quot;repositories changed&quot; popup. I know that interface isn&#039;t much more user-friendly than just editing /etc/apt/sources.list, but still...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[johnraff]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-07-24T05:15:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: First impressions of Alpha 2 Openbox]]></title>
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				<name><![CDATA[pvsage]]></name>
				<email><![CDATA[pvsage@email.com]]></email>
				<uri>http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/user/3596/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T19:23:26Z</updated>
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