• benj1
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Re: Planned changes?

johnraff wrote:
pvsage wrote:

Another reason to move away from Ubuntu is its metapackages are getting loaded with things that a lot of don't want in a lightweight OS, like Gnome dependencies, PulseAudio, etc, yada and so forth, even if the dependencies aren't required for the package's core applications to run properly.  The openoffice metapackage starting with Jaunty is a great example, as it pulls in the entire PulseAudio package.

Isn't some of this because Ubuntu's (and Debian's) default behaviour is now to regard recommendations as dependencies? It is quite possible to install openoffice, for example, without pulse audio if you want.

That said,  I'm curious to know if #! on Debian will still have to use consolekit, policykit or any other "kits" - I'm not sure if that stuff helps with permission problems, or causes them... roll

the bigger problem for me is that ubuntu repos tend to assume you should have all the default ubuntu stuff, for example the amount of stuff having metacity as a dependency, rather than just a window manager.

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Re: Planned changes?

pvsage wrote:

I decided to see what Apt wants to do with 'install openoffice.org' vs. 'openoffice.org --no-install-recommends'. The latter left out a few packages, but still wanted to include the full PulseAudio system.

That's interesting. I installed openoffice.org a while ago with Synaptic. At first it wanted to pull in all kinds of pulse stuff, but after unchecking the "Consider recommended packages as dependencies" box in Synaptics' Settings>Preferences OO installed fine without it. Pulseaudio now appears in the "missing recommended packages" list.

Pulseaudio doesn't appear directly in OO.o's dependencies/recommends but looking around a bit it might be openjdk-6-jre which wants to pull pulseaudio in, or maybe indirectly some gstreamer thing. I have got to have libpulse0, but no other pulse stuff on my system.

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Re: Planned changes?

I must have mistaken some other packages for pulse components; I just tried it again, got the same download size, and only libpulse0 was in the list.  My eyes were a bit bleary from (hopefully successfully) trying to make heads or tails of Cyrillic-Latin transliteration.

I thought libpulse0 did nothing without the rest of PA.  What do you need it for?

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Re: Planned changes?

^ no idea, but if I try to uninstall it Synaptic wants to take out mplayer and all of OO.o. It must be tied in somewhere.

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Re: Planned changes?

It's just tied to the metapackages.  I purged libpulse* and mplayer still runs fine.

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Re: Planned changes?

...still, it's not that big anyway, and presumably not taking up any system resources all by itself. neutral

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