Logo competition: a discussion about the winning logo (Page 3 of 4)

The thing is, the Swastika, and a few similar symbols, are all still banned in Germany, and heavily frowned upon in many countries on the continent. It's not so much of an issue over here in Britain, but it certainly is in countries that were either on the Axis side of things, or even some occupied states.

As pobolch said, he would have to switch Distro. It  is as offensive and taboo as incest is in most countries. (beyond the common term of mother fskcer, that is.)

Some thoughts:

Obviously, having a logo which offends anyone's sensibilities, let alone an entire demographic, is not desirable. Even though I cannot personally see the link between the proposed logo and the Swastika, I am concious that in other cultures, the Swastika is more prevalent as mind share, whether that be in India as a symbol of good luck, or in Germany where it has far darker connotations and invokes memories and thoughts which are in fact the complete opposite of what the CrunchBang community has come to stand for.

As I see it, there are two main indicators as to why the proposed design is unsuitable:

• The link between the the proposed logo and the Swastika was made quite early in the life of this thread; our community is not huge and this indicates that the proposed logo will almost certainly appear as offensive to some.

• The question this thread was created for was, "Should we, as a community, adopt the new design as our logo?"; however, the question now seems to be "Does the new design look too much like the Swastika?" The simple fact that we are even debating this also indicates a problem.

With this in mind, I think it is blindingly obvious that it would be inappropriate to continue with this venture. I am perfectly happy to declare the result of the poll as void in favour of keeping the existing logo. Would anyone have a serious issue with this?

Does anyone else like a completely vertical, completely straight #! symbol set/font?  (like the icon Philip created for the website).

Since this is done in an art editor there are no copyrights being violated in it's use, it's your own work (Philip's in the above example).  Thats all you really need for the official logo, then users can create whatever logo they want for wallpapers and such.  Some of the competition entries, in my opinion, should go into wallpapers and be included in an "Official" wallpaper package, but not set as default (to avoid any ill feelings of propriety misuse).

Last edited by kBang (2009-04-02 16:21:43)

For me, i would certainly not change the distro - I see more of a problem, if it comes to convince other people to try and switch over to #!  when one of the first visual expressions tends to remind to something badly stigmatized.   

That for me is exactly the point!

I like the favicon #! much better than the helvetica version used on the forum header and website. The font used would be a different matter. Actually maybe Philip's suggested use of Nimbus Sans L might go quite well with the slightly chunkier favicon rendition of the #!.

I wonder if Philip has a larger version of that favicon bitmap that we could have a look at (or was it posted somewhere earlier?).

Hello,
from my point of view, the new logo is a super combination between both symbols, wonderfull !:D
No more ! I'm from Germany too, but I didn't see there a hint to the Swastika. I found this disscussion a little bit grazy ?!:lol:
Independently to that many nation have use the Swastika in the past. It's a sun - symbol. But this all has nothing to do with the new Logo #!:)
My voting is YES !
Regards Ricky

I have no issues with this decision at all.

I respect that some people have some issues about what they think they see and have no intentions of pushing it to the limit here.

I say 'think' because no matter how hard I try I just can't see a swastika cross in the proposed logo !

In my book the ideal situation would be that everybody could agree upon this, this is not the case here. So the most obvious thing to do, is to dropping a new logo.

But still I would like to have #! CrunchBang branded in one way or another

I think the winning entry is clever and minimal. Congrats Holt! As I haven't created a launchpad account yet I haven't "officially" voted, but it'll most likely be a yes. I also understand those who would rather keep the #! instead of a new logo. When I first read about crunchbang and saw the logo, I was pleasantly surprised and it instantly appealed to me. I also feel it looks more Linux. If the #! stays it will not harm this great distro and I'm happy either way!

Which would give us something like this:

A larger version placed in a 10x10 grid to show dimensions:

I am not sure it can get much more simple than ^^.

Sounds like a plan! Seriously though, the one thing that troubled me about moving away from the #! symbolism was the that it would sort of invalidate all those amazing wallpapers and artwork people have been making.

That's what my girlfriend tells me

lols, totally kidding

I'm single

Thank you kind words! No need for prize. In spite of the swastika issue you picked my idea, this is more than enough for me.

Totally agree.
I tried to tweak my logo too, had lots of fun with Gimp, but failed to create one that i like, remains the concept and don't remember me to the Swastika, so i haven't posted them.
The one i like most is this:

It has lost its simplicity and good scaling ability, and still some might think it is a nazi symbol

Lol, I got an idea again Corenominal! We did make logos and you picked one. Now you make logos and we pick

Back to the basics and beyond, eh? I mean this is even simpler than the old one with an oblique # — and I like this simplest-of-the-simple suggestion very much.

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