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I rather like Slitaz myself. If we want to start small, they don't get much smaller than that.
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I must be the fortunate ones, since I recently went from Xubuntu 9.04 to Linux Mint 7 and then to Ubuntu 9.10 and have found that Ubuntu 9.10 is the most stable for me, as well as the most pleasing experience. I've been playing around with Debian stable in virtualbox and must say that I'm tempted to give Debian a go as the distro for my main box (although probably going to use testing, since my original interest in Debian was for use as a home server). However, pretty much everything works for me (except for my webcam mic) so I feel no pressing need to go to Debian and something serious would have to break for me to switch from 9.10.
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corenominal wrote:
^ as am I.
I installed Squeeze on my desktop/server earlier today. I will be taking a good look at it with regards to porting CrunchBang.
Debian Crunch? I would be VERY interested in something like that.
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Me and my BIG mouth. 
I think it is great that lots of people would be pleased with a switch to Debian, but please remember I am only taking a look at the moment, these are very early days. Still, thank you all for your support. 
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corenominal wrote:
Me and my BIG mouth.
I think it is great that lots of people would be pleased with a switch to Debian, but please remember I am only taking a look at the moment, these are very early days. Still, thank you all for your support.
no hurry
but also, +1 for debian
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+1 for Debian...
Or (you'll throw rocks on my head) try to build #! from Xubuntu base...
It won't have those idiot gnome, and other bloated package dependencies, and by that way, you can fix the "replace pcmanfm to thunar"- idea from the other users...
Yeah, but I know, Xplash, and Grub2 is the major problem.
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taklertamas wrote:
+1 for Debian...
Or (you'll throw rocks on my head) try to build #! from Xubuntu base...
It won't have those idiot gnome, and other bloated package dependencies, and by that way, you can fix the "replace pcmanfm to thunar"- idea from the other users...
Yeah, but I know, Xplash, and Grub2 is the major problem.
It was only a brainstorming
I can't imagine xubuntu being a better base than ubuntu-minimal.... I'd rather take a look at Adcomp' s Madbox-9.10 - iso (Can be found in the Madbox-Thread in the Off Topic-Forum).
Slim instead of gdm and rather stable for me atm.
Though upgrading the "shared-mime-info" package from 0.60 to 0.70 breaks all the file-associations in PCManFm. Thunar still OK.
Anyway +1 for a #! 9.10. I'll take it whatever its based upon. 
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pvsage wrote:
I rather like Slitaz myself. If we want to start small, they don't get much smaller than that.
I love SliTaz (I use it on one computer that's just a little too old for #!) but it is way too "indie" as a basis for #!. For example, recently their repos were down for several days and their forum vanished. Ubuntu and Debian are good, solid, reliable distros that aren't going anywhere.
Hardware permitting, I've always preferred #! to SliTaz, Puppy, DSL, TinyCore, etc. because it is a slimmed down remix of a totally full-featured distro (Ubuntu), rather than a bulked up remix of a tiny distro (like those silly Puplets). #! proved to me that you don't need a bloated Gnome desktop to enjoy the vast awesomeness of the Ubuntu repositories.
taklertamas wrote:
Or (you'll throw rocks on my head) try to build #! from Xubuntu base...
It won't have those idiot gnome, and other bloated package dependencies, and by that way, you can fix the "replace pcmanfm to thunar"- idea from the other users...
Actually you should check out CrunchBang 8.04... it had two desktops (Openbox and Xfce) and a lot of Xfce goodies (like Thunar).
That gives me a crazy idea... hear me out Philip... let's say hypothetically #! 9.10 just is not going to happen (for whatever reason)... and also you decide not to port #! to a different base distro (no CrunchIan)... what to do?
In that unlikely situation, I would go back and make a true "#! LTS" 8.04.3 (or whatever we're up to)... the focus would become "a lightweight, stable Ubuntu" (but not as stable as Lenny of course!) with a clean upgrade path to 10.04 (the next LTS). Imagine the possibilities of "Enterprise CrunchBang"!
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30MB for Slitaz is nice, but without apt packages I'd feel naked 
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I'd drop 9.10 and look forward to the next LTS.
Karmic has a lot of, well, karma. Let's hope, the Lynx gets some kensho in the meantime.
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As I see, it starts quite seriously thinking about base #! on something different than Ubuntu
I d say that Debian and Arch are the possibilities that interest me.
Debian because of ease of use .deb and large choice of apps (For example I use varicad and it s very easy to install thanks to .deb
Arch because of everything what people say on it, because of no need to reinstall every 6 months which is for me not so fun, when u use computer for work as I do. But question is: won t #! loose the "simplicity" if based on Arch?
If really #! team think about moving to another base, maybe debian would good at first step so that most #! users noob as me won t be lost and can reuse their "small" knowledges ;-)
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Vicophine wrote:
stopie wrote:+1 for Debian.
Personally, I think it would be kinda neat if #! looses its Ubuntu-training-wheels
Besides, this Karmic screen flickering is getting annoying!
How about we ditch the Ubuntu training wheels and go for an Arch (AUR) base?
If you're using Arch, you should be able to build a #!-esque system yourself, no need for anything pre-built. It, in fact, defeats major parts of the Arch Philosophy.
Arch has it's place, but #! is not one of them. Debian gets my vote.
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snowpine wrote:
...In that unlikely situation, I would go back and make a true "#! LTS" 8.04.3 (or whatever we're up to)... the focus would become "a lightweight, stable Ubuntu" (but not as stable as Lenny of course!) with a clean upgrade path to 10.04 (the next LTS). Imagine the possibilities of "Enterprise CrunchBang"!
As a current Ubuntu user (since 6.06 Dapper Drake) I have been considering switching to #!.
However, I am looking for the kind of long-term stability that is offered by the Ubuntu LTS releases. I think the idea of #! LTS would give far more confidence to users who want to use their PC's for "real" work, rather than just as an interesting hobby!
If #! does provide regular rock-solid LTS releases then this would increase its appeal considerably IMHO.
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Zill wrote:
snowpine wrote:...In that unlikely situation, I would go back and make a true "#! LTS" 8.04.3 (or whatever we're up to)... the focus would become "a lightweight, stable Ubuntu" (but not as stable as Lenny of course!) with a clean upgrade path to 10.04 (the next LTS). Imagine the possibilities of "Enterprise CrunchBang"!
As a current Ubuntu user (since 6.06 Dapper Drake) I have been considering switching to #!.
However, I am looking for the kind of long-term stability that is offered by the Ubuntu LTS releases. I think the idea of #! LTS would give far more confidence to users who want to use their PC's for "real" work, rather than just as an interesting hobby!
If #! does provide regular rock-solid LTS releases then this would increase its appeal considerably IMHO.
CrunchBang 8.04 (based on Ubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04, the current Long Term Support release) is available here: http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/downloads/8.04.02
There's been some discussion of whether it can truly be considered an LTS release: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic … -releases/
My personal opinion is that it is an excellent release; I used it until about 2 weeks ago (when I finally upgraded to 9.04; since Ubuntu 9.10 was coming out, I figured 9.04 was finally "stable enough"). #! 8.04 had a few features I miss, like Thunar and OpenOffice by default.
On a completely different subject, I agree with Mehall, Arch should be installed "The Arch Way" and is not a good base for future #! releases.
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i like Arch. But please don't move away from .deb
So many linux games only has .deb
If CB leave deb, I'll leave CB.
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Thanks for the info snowpine. It looks like there is some confusion at the moment about CrunchBang LTS releases.
As #! is clearly corenominal's project, it would be interesting to know his views on producing LTS versions. This should be possible if he sticks with Ubuntu or, possibly, Debian.
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@minimalist comrade - What games do you find only as a deb? Afaik many games come in some archive like zip or tarball that you can just extract and play.
With Arch Linux many games can be found in the AUR.
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Zill wrote:
Thanks for the info snowpine. It looks like there is some confusion at the moment about CrunchBang LTS releases.
As #! is clearly corenominal's project, it would be interesting to know his views on producing LTS versions. This should be possible if he sticks with Ubuntu or, possibly, Debian.
I don't claim to speak for Corenomial (or anyone else) but I think this sums up the CrunchBang philosophy nicely:
Disclaimer
CrunchBang Linux is not recommended for anyone needing a stable system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even frequent breakage. CrunchBang Linux could possibly make your computer go CRUNCH! BANG! Therefore CrunchBang Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law.
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Our computers are likely to go 'CRUNCH! BANG!' a bit more often with Arch than with Debian Testing. I've recently had an Arch install and the problems they've had over there with the Xorg and Cups updates have been affecting large numbers of people. My usb printer was hard work to get going again in Arch after the Cups update and it still isn't working as well as it did, in Debian with Cups 1.4 it's perfect. Arch have their own way of doing things, it isn't always better. Their implementation of grub2 is quite different to the standard, although it is easier to configure.
Debian's been around for so long now I always think of it as the Linux 'standard'.
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I think we can safely say that an Arch based Crunchbang isn't going to happen. It's also important to remember corenominal's message that at this stage he is just exploring the idea, although I guess a bit of support for a Debian Testing based Crunchbang gives him an idea of how popular it would be in the long term
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snowpine wrote:
...
I don't claim to speak for Corenomial (or anyone else) but I think this sums up the CrunchBang philosophy nicely:Disclaimer
CrunchBang Linux is not recommended for anyone needing a stable system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even frequent breakage. CrunchBang Linux could possibly make your computer go CRUNCH! BANG! Therefore CrunchBang Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law.
Quite consistent with the terms of the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE: 
15. Disclaimer of Warranty.
THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW. EXCEPT WHEN OTHERWISE STATED IN WRITING THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND/OR OTHER PARTIES PROVIDE THE PROGRAM “AS IS” WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PROGRAM IS WITH YOU. SHOULD THE PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION.16. Limitation of Liability.
IN NO EVENT UNLESS REQUIRED BY APPLICABLE LAW OR AGREED TO IN WRITING WILL ANY COPYRIGHT HOLDER, OR ANY OTHER PARTY WHO MODIFIES AND/OR CONVEYS THE PROGRAM AS PERMITTED ABOVE, BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR DAMAGES, INCLUDING ANY GENERAL, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE PROGRAM (INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO LOSS OF DATA OR DATA BEING RENDERED INACCURATE OR LOSSES SUSTAINED BY YOU OR THIRD PARTIES OR A FAILURE OF THE PROGRAM TO OPERATE WITH ANY OTHER PROGRAMS), EVEN IF SUCH HOLDER OR OTHER PARTY HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.
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bobobex wrote:
OMG - since when did "Debian" suddenly become the most popular word on the forums? I've only just got used to using Ubuntu and I still need my training wheels/stabilisers!
Since Karmic was released... 
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^ ... Poor little Koala... getting so much stick
+1 for Deb Bang Linux, btw.
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