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Re: crunchbang 9.10 release

ranchero wrote:
benj1 wrote:

#! is maintained by one person,

I was hoping that this could change if #! would become more popular, and having few very nice touches I believe that this is possible. I know #! is almost Ubuntu, but it's NOT. In this case few touches make big difference. Again, this is my point of view.

I don't see why things need to change as of now, since there isn't a real demand for other #! flavors, like Ubuntu has X, K, Edu, myth, etc.

The community here makes suggestions and help with stuff, and corenominal has been known to listen to them.

I actually prefer it being this way.

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Re: crunchbang 9.10 release

Or maybe ranchero was talking about having more #! developers?

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Re: crunchbang 9.10 release

anonymous wrote:

Or maybe ranchero was talking about having more #! developers?


Yes, if that would make #! even better

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anonymous wrote:

...As for doing your customizations over, you could just have your /home on a separate partition...

Very good advice but I would also add that some config files (primarily those owned by root) are held in the /etc directory.  For example, I use NFS for file sharing and so need to edit exports, fstab, hosts, hosts.allow and hosts.deny, all of which are in /etc.

As the root partition, which includes /etc, is generally reformatted during a re-install, I always ensure that I have a copy of my old /etc directory safely stored to assist configuration of the new installation.

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I do so love a helpful forum.  smile

@ anonymous - I know what "agave" is.  I've been using it forever (it seems) to get colours for conky.  I was using "the name" as an example.  As well as some of the other stuff.  I should have used program-x, program-y and program-z, that might have been clearer.  Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for helping.  smile

@ snowpine -

or you let someone else do it for you.

where's the fun in that?  I may be old, I ain't dead and I still have a few neurons capable of learning.  smile  I'll go for option:

you learn how to do it yourself

... taking out the either part

If I told you I have virtual box here but nothing in it and haven't read up on how to use it yet (in preparation of testing a distro - no not #!) would you laugh at me?  You would!!  OK, strike that, I didn't say it   smile  But I do!

The great news is that most of the "what the heck is that for?" packages are pulled in automatically as dependencies for apps with familiar names.

I knew that. it's that "most" that leaves ya hanging over the edge of a cliff.  smile

Regarding the tutorial by psychocats I recall seeing that once but didn't bookmark it.  Have now, thanks.

@ omns -

It is a trial and error process.

My wife would kill me just for being here typing this.  If she though I was going to change the system "AGAIN!" my name would be inscribed in stone over my head.

I have to check out that basic set of packages link you gave me.  smile

I do have your HowTo bookmarked but haven't delved into it in depth, like I said before I'm not about to do this today or anytime in the next few days (I reserve the right to change my mind), it is however something I want to do "at least once" as a learning exercise.  I've seen HowTo's on other forums and it's intrigued me to the point of I'd like to try.

I've come to love #! and admire cornominal's (I keep wanting to type corenormal) script writing capabilities, and if/when I do do this "exercise" it would be essential to have the #! OpenBox setup.   And that's another thing I have ro research before doing this:  Where are the files needed to have a #! OpenBox setup.  There're here somewhere, I'll find then when I go looking, I already know about ~/.config but I have a few left overs in there from my Xubu days I think so I gotta sort that out.

REF: Raffles10's HowTo ...

When asked what software to install select 'Standard System' & nothing else.

What is "Standard System"?   I see later he added OB  smile

He has an HP printer, I gotta go looking for Epson  smile

Do I really need the debian/multimedia?  We only turn the speakers on "maybe" once a week.  smile


Oh yes:

Doing this will get you some newer application versions like mpd-0.15.4 which increases the functionality of ncmpcpp.

What the heck is "mpd-0.15.4" & "ncmpcpp" <<-- Do NOT answer that! I'll find out.  It's simply to point out that some stuff is still "geek hieroglyphics" when reading file names.

Couldn't help myself: Google:
mpd-0.15.4 = Music Player Daemon Wiki

Repos:

Music Player Daemon (MPD) is a server that allows remote access for
playing audio files (Ogg-Vorbis, FLAC, MP3, Wave, and AIFF), streams
(Ogg-Vorbis, MP3) and managing playlists.  Gapless playback, buffered
output, and crossfading support is also included.  The design focus is
on integrating a computer into a stereo system that provides control
for music playback over a TCP/IP network.  The goals are to be easy to
install and use, to have minimal resource requirements (it has been
reported to run fine on a Pentium 75), and to remain stable and
flexible.

ncmpcpp = Ncmpcpp mpd client

See, I don't need those, nor do I want them, we have a 3 CD stereo sitting right beside the computer.  Call me old fashioned, it's OK, I'm old.  smile

Doing thinks like this, and keeping Conky Hardcore! up to date I need a 26 hour day, and that's not counting:

  • computer time for my wife

  • sleeping time

  • family time

and being a three and a half finger typist that has to look at the keyboard doesn't help either.

Just so everyone knows:  My wife and I share a single, old computer.  So I have to be careful not to nuke her stuff as well as mine.  About 8 months ago we went from 3 PATA-IDE drives to one SATA drive when the (?) slots for the 80-wire connectors conked out.  So while I want to do things, I'm limited by what I need to be careful with so as not to loose everything.  I have three or four backups in different locations so I won't loose "everything".  But I really really hate "having to" reinstall everything.

Have a nice day.
Bruce

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Where he says (partial quote):

Needless to say after about 6 hours of  frustration caused by missing certain packages and not knowing what was missing, I reinstall ...

Love that: and not knowing what was missing even though I feel sorry for 6 hours of time.

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Re: crunchbang 9.10 release

Zill wrote:
anonymous wrote:

...As for doing your customizations over, you could just have your /home on a separate partition...

Very good advice but I would also add that some config files (primarily those owned by root) are held in the /etc directory.  For example, I use NFS for file sharing and so need to edit exports, fstab, hosts, hosts.allow and hosts.deny, all of which are in /etc.

As the root partition, which includes /etc, is generally reformatted during a re-install, I always ensure that I have a copy of my old /etc directory safely stored to assist configuration of the new installation.

Excellent plan!
Note to self: Self, backup /etc as well, like /home

Any other sub directory that should come across from root (or at least grab info from it)

Have a nice day.
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Re: crunchbang 9.10 release

Bruce wrote:

Where he says (partial quote):

Needless to say after about 6 hours of  frustration caused by missing certain packages and not knowing what was missing, I reinstall ...

Love that: and not knowing what was missing even though I feel sorry for 6 hours of time.

That's why I really like aptitude's interactive mode. It presents all recommends / suggests dependancies of what you install, so you can go over them and decide if you need it or not, noting what package is suggesting it, and you can see the description of these packages as well.

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alon_h wrote:

That's why I really like aptitude's interactive mode. It presents all recommends / suggests dependancies of what you install, so you can go over them and decide if you need it or not, noting what package is suggesting it, and you can see the description of these packages as well.

a.

I knew that! I forgot I knew that but I do know it.

And of course you're right.

Thanks for kick starting my neurons

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Bruce wrote:

I do so love a helpful forum.  smile

@ anonymous - I know what "agave" is.  I've been using it forever (it seems) to get colours for conky.  I was using "the name" as an example.  As well as some of the other stuff.  I should have used program-x, program-y and program-z, that might have been clearer.  Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for helping.  smile

I think the majority of programs you install you would already know about. And the others you can easily google for, or ask here in the forum. Its part of the learning process wink

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Re: crunchbang 9.10 release

i am curious, going back to the 9.10 thing:
how many do have karmic under #! on their main-productive computer?
is #! 9.04 getting nearer to karmic? (sorry, it's the other way around: it's karmic getting nearer to be usable for building #!?)
or it still does have the problems that it had last time i tried it on the beta stage? (just remembering the flickering makes me dizzy again roll )

point is that it's interesting all the chat, but ubuntu is still the base of #!, right. And there are some apps that ubuntu release only for karmic. i mean, like empathy, there's only new versions for karmic. I know, i know, PPAs but not everything has PPAs.

(i am just trying to resist the urge of trying again and getting my system making crunch & bang again but each time i have a little tinny something not working - like voice and video over any IM, or something - i get the itching on the tip of my fingers to go dist-upgrade)

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^^ as for the flickering, I believe it was a kernel issue, and is long gone now.

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I'm not sure if it's the same flickering, but if you are referring to the brightness and the brightness control notification on MSI computers, it hasn't yet been fixed with any kernel patch.  However, a patch is available that limits the flickering to a few seconds during the bootup sequence.

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fox wrote:

I'm not sure if it's the same flickering, but if you are referring to the brightness and the brightness control notification on MSI computers, it hasn't yet been fixed with any kernel patch.  However, a patch is available that limits the flickering to a few seconds during the bootup sequence.

that one in the bootup sequence. I tried the patch. but didn't work. Or worked partially:
it stopped flickering after some seconds, but when the computer got idle (if i was just listening music or something and not actually hitting keys) some stuff got frozen and the screen started again to flicker and the only way to get it right was to log out and log in again.

And there was so much patching to do! the tint2 issue, and sound issue, and ... ufff.. i don't even remember all the issues i had.
(i was so shocked and disappointed by ubuntu that i considered for a while go fishing for other distro as basis for #! or even leave #! sad )

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Re: crunchbang 9.10 release

fox wrote:

I'm not sure if it's the same flickering, but if you are referring to the brightness and the brightness control notification on MSI computers, it hasn't yet been fixed with any kernel patch.  However, a patch is available that limits the flickering to a few seconds during the bootup sequence.

Oh that's all I need, me and my MSI motherboard.  So that settles that, I say with #! 9.04 as long as I can or build a Debian "testing" #!.

Don't look sweetie!
I said don't look at the screen!!  {sigh}

In some respects I'm joking about my wife, but she will complain, of that there is no doubt.  smile

Have a nice day
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liame wrote:

point is that it's interesting all the chat, but ubuntu is still the base of #!, right. And there are some apps that ubuntu release only for karmic. i mean, like empathy, there's only new versions for karmic. I know, i know, PPAs but not everything has PPAs.

Hey look, Empathy does have a PPA!

https://launchpad.net/~telepathy/+archive/ppa

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anonymous wrote:
Bruce wrote:

I do so love a helpful forum.  smile

@ anonymous - I know what "agave" is.  I've been using it forever (it seems) to get colours for conky.  I was using "the name" as an example.  As well as some of the other stuff.  I should have used program-x, program-y and program-z, that might have been clearer.  Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for helping.  smile

I think the majority of programs you install you would already know about. And the others you can easily google for, or ask here in the forum. Its part of the learning process wink

Yea, I'm sure that's true and I have a script to load stuff, that I have from Xubuntu days, that is "slightly" out of date now with #! as some of that stuff is a part of #!.  However it will come in handy, as a starting point, with the "net-install" project.

quickinstall.sh

#!/bin/bash
sudo aptitude install aspell-en aspell-es bluefish claws-mail claws-mail-doc claws-mail-extra-plugins curl escputil flashplugin-nonfree gedit gedit-plugins gftp gimp-help-en gthumb hddtemp homebank hunspell ispell jpilot jpilot-backup jppy jppy-jpilot-plugins libdate-manip-perl libxml2-utils lm-sensors myspell-en-gb myspell-es myspell-tools ntp ntp-doc nvclock poedit potool preload pysdm screenruler smartmontools vnstat wcanadian-huge weblint-perl -y

... just not "system" stuff like printer drivers and other little annoyances.  But reading a "few" HowTo's and with each comes a new tip here and there.  smile

As an example, Xubu used Thunar, #! uses pcmanfm, I installed Thunar when I first installed #! but found myself using it less and less as time past by to the point I deleted it, now I need to add pcmanfm to that list.  Conky is not on the list as I get it from a PPA because I want v1.7.2-  I have a few conkys here that rely on LUA - I don't use them any more.  But I do and answer some questions regarding the use of LUA scripts, just not the scripts themselves.

When it comes to scripts I'm and EXPERT and admit it.   You know:

EX - a has been & (s)PERT - a drip under pressure which may or may not be better than either

  • a Python Programmer - a person that knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing, or

  • a Perl Programmer - a person that knows less and less about more and more until he know absolutely nothing about everything.

and of course none of the above hold a candle to a Good Bash Scripter who can amaze the world with a simple "shebang" aka: #!

If you get my drift corenominal.  wink

Have a nice day.
Bruce

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anonymous wrote:
liame wrote:

point is that it's interesting all the chat, but ubuntu is still the base of #!, right. And there are some apps that ubuntu release only for karmic. i mean, like empathy, there's only new versions for karmic. I know, i know, PPAs but not everything has PPAs.

Hey look, Empathy does have a PPA!

https://launchpad.net/~telepathy/+archive/ppa

yeah, i know, i have it. and even thought there's something not working with the video & sound. And i still have the feeling there's a different version for karmic... maybe it's just my feeling.. i don't know..

i tried too the openoffice ppa and amsn ppa but the same thing... (i can't even get the key from those ppa. i know i know the key is the same key for jauunty and karmic but... i don't know. i'm sure is just me doing something wrong)

anyway, how much time there is for jaunty? one more year? It's possible that *buntu people make available different stuff for karmic? I know sometimes does happen with amarok in kubuntu.

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liame wrote:

yeah, i know, i have it. and even thought there's something not working with the video & sound.

Which protocol are you trying to get audio/video on? It should work on GTalk and MSN.

Also does your webcam or mic work in other programs?

liame wrote:

anyway, how much time there is for jaunty? one more year?

Yeah. Jaunty support ends October 2010; just in time for Ubuntu 10.10.

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anonymous wrote:
liame wrote:

yeah, i know, i have it. and even thought there's something not working with the video & sound.

Which protocol are you trying to get audio/video on? It should work on GTalk and MSN.

Also does your webcam or mic work in other programs?

gtalk & msn. cam works with skype almost fine, it does freeze sometimes (mine or the one i'm receiving). And in kopete i can see it working pretty nice on the settings, but not in actual chat windows.
mic kind of work, but not well, 'cos it's built in on the msi-wind (cam is built in too) and well, nobody seems to actually listen to me, only noise.

anonymous wrote:
liame wrote:

anyway, how much time there is for jaunty? one more year?

Yeah. Jaunty support ends October 2010; just in time for Ubuntu 10.10.

So, how goes the feeling, are we sticking 'till 2010 with jaunty? What are most people doing now?
I am following like 3 threads about this here tongue and i am quite not sure really what are you all doing, or what kind of distro are you using, LOL

(oh, something else i remembered just now about the voice/video thing: pidgin says each time that i can't use video when i try to activate it. amsn says i am behind a fantastic firewall - that i don't have 'cos i don't have the minimal idea of how to use one - or a proxy, but i have a direct connection to internet. And empathy just sit there waiting to connect the video for hours but only in gtalk, pidgin and empathy don't have video or sound options for msn.)

( hmm maybe pidgin is trying to tell me i should learn how to set and use a firewall and some security stuff.... roll)

err.. sorry for the kidnapping attempt, it's just the reason i was thinking again about going karmicbang.

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liame wrote:

So, how goes the feeling, are we sticking 'till 2010 with jaunty? What are most people doing now?

There seems to be several directions that people are heading. A summary of what I've seen.

  • Sticking with #! 9.04.01 until a new version is released

  • Installing karmic or a derivative like kubuntu

  • Installing Debian Testing and building up your own system (sorry, shamless plug there big_smile )

  • Trying one of ADComp's madbox creations (probably as close to an ubuntu based #! 9.10 as you'll get at the moment)

  • Installing Arch and building up your own system

Personally I think any of these is quite valid. I think the main thing is that we keep sharing our efforts, creations and configurations with each other. This to me is what this community is really about smile

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omns wrote:

[*]Sticking with #! 9.04.01 until a new version is released[/*]
[*]Installing Debian Testing and building up your own system (sorry, shamless plug there big_smile )[/*]

+1

I'am already on #! 9.04, I'am playing with Debian, ... but waiting for the next #! release !

Take your time to do it, and make the best one you could !!! smile

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@omns: thanks. It was very ... emmm .... good to calm my itching for karmic... i think i'll wait...
and ponder about building "liamemadbang" tongue

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Re: crunchbang 9.10 release

Arch+LXDE on the Dell Mini, Fedora+Gnome on the work computer, #! 9.04 on the old lappy. smile
One of my new year's resolutions for 2010 is to stop distro hopping, we'll see if I can stick with it...

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snowpine wrote:

Arch+LXDE on the Dell Mini, Fedora+Gnome on the work computer, #! 9.04 on the old lappy. smile
One of my new year's resolutions for 2010 is to stop distro hopping, we'll see if I can stick with it...

Since #! I stopped distro hopping wink

#! on Laptop and Netbook, #!-like karmic on work

#! is running well on karmic after some tweaking

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snowpine wrote:

Arch+LXDE on the Dell Mini, Fedora+Gnome on the work computer, #! 9.04 on the old lappy. smile
One of my new year's resolutions for 2010 is to stop distro hopping, we'll see if I can stick with it...

i think u have too many computers, that's the problem. new policy: one box - one distro. LOL (then corenominal doesn't get distracted playing around with all those millions of distros out there and just think: next #! tongue:D )