Debian Testing as base for next Crunchbang release (Suggestion) (Page 2 of 3)

Oops! <<-- incognito!

See I didn't know that.  But looking here:

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Opt … ced_update

... suggests you need root privileges or to be the person who installed Firefox.  So if I delete Firefox and get it from the Mozilla site then I'm OK to update.  Seems silly to me.

Now, since I have you attention a question:  Why do we need root privileges?

Some things just boggle the mind;

• Install Linux Distro A and tell it to use: /dev/sda5 as /media/5 and it belongs to root

• Install Linux Distro B and tell it to use: /dev/sda5 as /media/5 and it belongs to "user"

{sigh}

Have a nice day.
Bruce

Oops! <<-- incognito!

And I though you had a hand in the pot.
Now I'm really going to give your HowTo a going over. 

Gonna call it: !#CrunchDebian 

Have a nice day.
Bruce

Note: How can to tell someone is new to #!?
They make two mistakes in a row. 

Joke: just to lighten things up a bit (and totally off topic):

What does a sperm cell and a lawyer have in common?

They both have a 1:1,000,000 chance of becoming a human being!

Iceweasel is firefox, but because of the patches that debian apply to it, mozzila dodn't want it to be branded firefox (and debian cant use the original icon 'couse it's not free). Ubuntu and others patch FF too, but ok it with mozilla to be able to use the name & icon (otherwise you need to use the unbranded verison).

a.

Going way OT , it was both: http://lwn.net/Articles/118268/ basically debian wanted it to be called firefox, but without the logo, but mozilla didn't want others to be able to take it and modify it further and still call it FF, but debian has a clause that says they can't get something that's free just to them, and on and on...

EDIT: this http://lwn.net/Articles/200857/ is actually the one I was looking for, follow the links for an all-nighter of FOSS talk.
a.

Last edited by alon_h (2009-11-14 22:38:25)

With Openbox or XFCE ?

And about Iceweasel and Firefox on Debian : I understand that by default it is Iseaweasel who is installed ... But can I install Firefox on Debian ?
Or my question could by make in other way : did the "mozilla Firefox add-ons" play on Iceweasel ???

Last edited by Kookaburra (2009-11-15 08:00:19)

a] Yes, but you shouldn't have to because:
b] Yes, because iceweasel IS firefox without the name, + some debian patches that you get with (most) other packages as well, without even knowing.

a.

OK, being the new kid on the block, I'll bite:

Who's Dr. Phil?

Have a nice day.
Bruce

OFF Topic
Wait a sec, Dr. Phil. former psychologist, TV --- sounds like... naaaa it couldn't be ...

You sure you don't mean Dr. Fraser and a radio show?

"No users were found matching your criteria"
End of this Off Topic topic. 

We now resume with the On Topic topic:
Debian Testing as base for next Crunchbang release (Suggestion)

Have a nice day.
Bruce

Having built up a Crunchbang like Debian testing based system using tips from both omnsproject.org and http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/post/43062/#p43062 (thanks Raffles10) and I'm more than content with the setup. I find the performance on my Compaq Evo N600c PIII/256mb a little better than Crunchbang 9.04. I'm content enough to leave it installed.

My Acer Aspire 6530 is currently a mutant Crunchbang/Ubuntu 9.10 build but would absolutely welcome Debian as a new base. Yes it is a bit more work on the front end, however I think the bulk of this (installing the extra apps after a net install of testing) could be handled by a script, though I may be thinking to simply.

Last edited by jinnstar (2009-11-15 22:57:18)

If #! stays with, OpenBox, I doubt you would notice anything.  For example I came from Xubuntu to #!.  Both built on Ubuntu, both use the same repos.. Adding OpenBox to Xubu would not have been the same, I would have missed the special configuration that has been done on OpenBox (and other things I'm probably unaware of) in #!.  But all my config files from Firefox, Thunderbird, Claws-mail, gFTP to name a few are here with me.

So from an absolutely "new to Linux" point of view, would you notice the difference. I doubt it, not if they keep everything that is #! in the new version. You would use Synaptic to get a program as now, they would be DEB packages as they are now.  Iceweasel is FF, and Icemail Thunderbird.

Notice the word: doubt. There is a small chance that you would notice something, and that might lead to a 5 minute learning curve.

Buy an old car, change the engine.  It's still the same car, you can still drive it, but the engine is new. The learning curve kicks in when you want to play with that extra 200 horse power your new engine has.  Control on curves, acceleration, manoeuvring, etc.  Driving a normal family version of a Chevy or Ford requires the same skills, even though the two cars are different.

Go to a non-debian based Linux and now you have a learning curve. (from slight to heavy)
Portage or pacman instead of synaptic. But it's a name, learn how to use it and it gets a file and installs it like synaptic.

There is always the terminal too:

sudo apt-get install "program program2 program3 -y"
or
sudo aptitude install "program program2 program3 -y"

Or this one I use, "autoinstall.sh" a space between the program names and a -y at the end so I don't have to answer "Yes" for each file.  I use that after a fresh install.  I also have to modify it as it was built with Xfce in mind to get programs that didn't come with the install.  Some of those are installed with #!. 

#!/bin/bash

sudo aptitude install smartmontools gthumb gedit gedit-plugins vnstat curl conky lm-sensors hddtemp ntp ntp-doc homebank aspell-en aspell-es ispell escputil weblint-perl libxml2-utils gimp-help-en flashplugin-nonfree libdate-manip-perl claws-mail claws-mail-doc claws-mail-extra-plugins hunspell myspell-tools myspell-es myspell-en-gb wcanadian-huge jpilot jpilot-backup jppy jppy-jpilot-plugins nvclock whois traceroute recordmydesktop openoffice.org openoffice.org-help-en-gb openoffice.org-help-es openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us screenruler -y

it's in my path so in a terminal I type autoinstall and I get them all.

So nutshell answer: No! - My opinion.

Sorry for the long winded response, that's just me at times. 

Have a nice day.
Bruce

Last edited by Bruce (2009-11-17 11:42:32)

I'm glad to hear that (I suspected it might be so).  I would hate to start up my shiny new $! installation and start crying!

Going from Jaunty to Karmic there were small changes but I had at least some idea about the basics.
I intend to use the next release of #! whatever it might be and whenever it might be released.

Looking at the screenshot threads for the last couple of months it's really interesting how many of us have taken the plunge and are now using Debian Squeeze as a base for our machines. The range of crunchbang like efforts has been amazing. I'd now more than ever love to see a Crunchbang based on the final Squeeze release which should be a  cracker!

It will still be a bit longer to wait but it would make for a wonderful stable release