Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

user700 wrote:

if there going to be on separate iso's then I'll be more likely to go with openbox. I'm not really one for the fancy gui and such anyway. Openbox, tint2, & conky all compliment one another very nicely with a very minimalistic "not in your way" gui.

have you even tried the xfce version of statler?
Its basically openbox statler with a few control-based gui apps.
so as for fancy gui.... it just makes me think you haven't tried it. xfce Statler is a pretty close mimic of openbox Statler.

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

blackbinary wrote:

xfce Statler is a pretty close mimic of openbox Statler.

or the other way around wink

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

jotapesse wrote:
omns wrote:
jotapesse wrote:

I really hope that Philip gives us a final release with both Openbox and Xfce. This way will be able to choose either one, change when we're bored or facilitate our home/family users with an friendler desktop.

You can do that yourself by adding a few Openbox (openbox, nitrogen, obconfig etc) packages to the Xfce version (A definitive list would make a nice wiki article). Both versions contain both sets of configs so once added your Openbox session will look and feel just like the Openbox iso.

This approach does however give you a lot of unnecessary menu entries in your Xfce session which is why corenominal decided to split the release into two isos.

smile

True, but if Philip manages to solve those issues I do think that the release would benefit all #! users with both desktops, so that's why I encourage it.

johnraff wrote:

You could edit the .desktop files to add a 'NotShowIn=XFCE;' line? A bit messy maybe.

Sounds like a solution. So with this trick is it now easy to put together a Openbox/Xfce release?

Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

Toolz wrote:
johnraff wrote:

You could edit the .desktop files to add a 'NotShowIn=XFCE;' line? A bit messy maybe.

Sounds like a solution. So with this trick is it now easy to put together a Openbox/Xfce release?

Maybe the .desktop files would be overwritten every time those apps are upgraded, though...

John
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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

My first impulse was to go for OB Statler but i am really glad that i became a little adventurous and chose xfce instead, I have sound, video, the resolution, and even have compositing enabled, and all this out of the box without having to install Nvidia, http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic … d-nvidia/. If anyone is counting my vote goes to xfce Statler:D

Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

mzsade wrote:

If anyone is counting my vote goes to xfce Statler:D

Not really counting but it's pleasing to see so many people pleasantly surprised by the Xfce version smile

Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

omns wrote:
jotapesse wrote:

I really hope that Philip gives us a final release with both Openbox and Xfce.

You can do that yourself by adding a few Openbox (openbox, nitrogen, obconfig etc) packages to the Xfce version. Both versions contain both sets of configs so once added your Openbox session will look and feel just like the Openbox iso.

Omns, I've tried installing both, and the openbox version did have a ~/.config/xfce4 folder with files in it, but I can't find any openbox config files anywhere on the xfce version, either in my home folder or in /etc/skel.

(btw, for all xfce's advantages, I also strongly hope an openbox setup continues to be a supported option for Crunchbang! smile )

John
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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

I have been an Xfce fanatic, almost since first using Linux.

Later, I came to #!Crunchabang which made me fall in love with Openbox.

Since Staler fist appeared ... I downloaded and installed only 2 OS on my PC, deleted 'all others'
Now, I have ... both #!Statler x64 ...with Xfce and Openbox

I like the simplicity and ease of customization of Openbox.  I think #!Openbox is a little quicker to respond than #!Xfce.  But, not by much.
I also, love the Openbox 'right-click' Menu .... again, easy to configre and highly customizable.

I love what corenominal has done with Xfce ... fast and light-weight, as Xfce was meant to be.  With NO extra bloat.
Also, did a fine job on configuring the 'right-click' Xfce Menu.  It would be nice if the Xfce Menu was just as easy to configure as the Openbox Menu is.

I have had no problems what-so-ever with either #!distro.  I even changed both to have a mixed testing/unstable sources.list

My only problem now is . . . I don't know which one I like better?  roll  Xfce or Openbox.  lol  Of course, who says that I have to decide?

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

vrkalak wrote:

Also, did a fine job on configuring the 'right-click' Xfce Menu.  It would be nice if the Xfce Menu was just as easy to configure as the Openbox Menu is.

As far as I know the right click menu in Statler Xfce is the standard Xfce default. Menu editing would be great and I believe will be a feature of the impending 4.8 release.

vrkalak wrote:

Of course, who says that I have to decide?

The magic of Linux big_smile

Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

I tried both versions and much prefer the XFCE one which is basically the same as the Openbox but automatically configures without having to add 'pipe-menus' and suchlike, which confuse a Linux newbie like me. Any newcomers to Linux will love the XFCE version but if they try the Openbox first it will put them off and they will go somewhere else.

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

Nickynak wrote:

Any newcomers to Linux will love the XFCE version but if they try the Openbox first it will put them off and they will go somewhere else.

The Openbox version of #!Crunchbang is what brought most of the existing memebers to #! in the first place.    lol  We love it.

I have been an Xfce user/fanatic for years ... but, I absolutely love Openbox.

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

Nickynak wrote:

I tried both versions and much prefer the XFCE one which is basically the same as the Openbox but automatically configures without having to add 'pipe-menus' and suchlike, which confuse a Linux newbie like me. Any newcomers to Linux will love the XFCE version but if they try the Openbox first it will put them off and they will go somewhere else.

From another perspective (I started out with dos, Unix cli and window managers like the TWM family) Windows just seemed *weird* and confusing at first, as did Gnome and CDE/KDE tongue. I didn't understand why it would take several clicks to do the same thing I could do by just quicky editing and saving a configuration file and some things I just couldn't seem to do at all. But I figured it out. smile

But then later I got into the habit of assuming that a window manager like Openbox might be much of a jump for Linux newcomers also, with them having been used to Windows and Mac gui interfaces- but I've since learned otherwise (especially from what I've seen on this forum), and it's really just which one works best for your needs and that you can get comfy with. There's a lot of support too for those switching over from a desktop environment to using a window manager and this is a good place to ask and learn since we're a pretty friendly bunch here.  big_smile

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I tried xfce for a few days a little while back (and I liked the Statler implementation a whole bunch) but ended up back with Openbox for just that extra tiny bit of snappiness.

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

I can see why people like Openbox but the XFCE Statler is more or less the same except for me it's easier to use. I had a good go with Openbox Statler but got a bit frustrated with it to be honest. I think it's great that there are two versions available because the XFCE version is the best distro i have tried on my Netbook for speed and power management (apart from the Openbox version)!

Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

I will never not use Openbox. I am just a stubborn person and to me fluxbox and openbox are as good as it gets. But I am very glad for the xfce Statler existing.

Previously I would install xfce Mint for friends and family, and now I can do it with xfce Statler instead (openbox confuses people for some reason).

Also, my mum is now a right-click menu convert. She came to visit recently and bought her work laptop which runs windows. Every time she wanted to do something she'd right-click and then complain about not having a menu.

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

@Nickynak, it sounds like xfce and what you're looking for make a good match. smile

With Statler they look very similar and for the most part behave very similar, but as you've discovered, aren't the same thing (even though they are both Crunchbang). A lot of the differences are under the hood. But since ease of use is subjective (like our ideas of what's easy and what are frustrating are probably pretty different) I'm still not sure that Openbox in itself turns off new people.

But maybe... I'm wondering if a cheat sheet or something that highlights some of the basic differences between the two wouldn't be a bad idea.

@PoliticsOfStarving, I keep trying to right click on my XP box too. Someone here showed me how to switch it and I need to look that post up. big_smile

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

i really like openbox better

Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

alexander wrote:

i really like openbox better

I really like that #! Statler offers both! smile

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

I like the option to do both. But i'm starting to sway more and more towards openbox. the XFCE menu is pretty static, not much you can do to change it (easily). The openbox menu is whatever you make of it. If you use the 'gui menu editor' feature, its pretty simple to figure out how to add what you want. But i can organize it however I like, and leave out the options I don't need. For example, I've got a 'dev' menu which holds geany, inkscape, gimp, amaya, blender and glade. In an XFCE menu, these programs would be mostly in separate categories. But because I'm in openbox, i can set it up how i like. Also for those who use a dock, sometimes a menu entry is pointless if you have it on the dock as well, so with openbox you can get rid of it.

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

FiniteStateMachine wrote:

Also for those who use a dock, sometimes a menu entry is pointless if you have it on the dock as well, so with openbox you can get rid of it.

I am the opposite, because everything can be put into the Openbox menu I have no more need for a dock. I miss the pretty icons but I am too accustomed to the Openbox menu.

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

anonymous wrote:
FiniteStateMachine wrote:

Also for those who use a dock, sometimes a menu entry is pointless if you have it on the dock as well, so with openbox you can get rid of it.

I am the opposite, because everything can be put into the Openbox menu I have no more need for a dock. I miss the pretty icons but I am too accustomed to the Openbox menu.

Yep thats true as well. Because of windows 7, im kinda used to having a dock-like panel at the bottom of my screen. I also find it faster to (currently) just swing my mouse to the left of my screen and click, rather then opening the menu, opening a sub menu, and clicking. Though at the same time, the shortcuts are much faster than even that... and i'm getting back into using them lol.

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

FiniteStateMachine wrote:

Because of windows 7, im kinda used to having a dock-like panel at the bottom of my screen. I also find it faster to (currently) just swing my mouse to the left of my screen and click, rather then opening the menu, opening a sub menu, and clicking.

I wish we could have Windows 7's dock in Linux but without Gnome dependencies a la DockbarX.

FiniteStateMachine wrote:

Though at the same time, the shortcuts are much faster than even that... and i'm getting back into using them lol.

Very true.

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

anonymous wrote:
FiniteStateMachine wrote:

Because of windows 7, im kinda used to having a dock-like panel at the bottom of my screen. I also find it faster to (currently) just swing my mouse to the left of my screen and click, rather then opening the menu, opening a sub menu, and clicking.

I wish we could have Windows 7's dock in Linux but without Gnome dependencies a la DockbarX.

FiniteStateMachine wrote:

Though at the same time, the shortcuts are much faster than even that... and i'm getting back into using them lol.

Very true.

I kinda got used to the dock big-time... really only had firefox, songbird and msn on it... but just those 3 apps that I always used... it just felt normal to just click.
Thats why i installed adeskbar on statler this time around. I figured it could replace the windows version. And it kinda does. I'm actually about to experiment, try and get my dock sitting right beside tint2 and have tint2 only take up a percentage of the screen, not stretch across if I can.

But now that I've gotten back into crunchbang... I'm starting to use the shortcuts even more. At which point, neither a dock nor menu is really all that necessary.

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

Ok, what do you think of this anonymous?
http://omploader.org/tNGo5Ng
Kinda serves the same function as the windows dock. Granted, its not /integrated/ into tint2, and I have a tonne more items. But no reason you couldn't just have iceweasel + music player + term or something. Other, reaaalllly nice thing, i can hide adeskbar in the same margin tint2 is in. Before that, i had it on the side of my second monitor, which i couldnt put any margins on, so i had to have it set to hide. It was also pretty simple to set the backgrounds the same colour, and the border the same colour, so it matches pretty darn well.

Last edited by FiniteStateMachine (2010-06-07 21:45:06)

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

Whats so special about having a dock and panel side by side?

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Re: Openbox vs XFCE?

anonymous wrote:

Whats so special about having a dock and panel side by side?

It just closely resembles the windows 7 dock, which is what you wanted.

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