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I've noticed a few threads lately wanting to know why CrunchBang is changing to a Debian base. In the interest of avoiding to many of these types of threads, please refer to the link below.
http://reddevil62-techhead.blogspot.com … lains.html
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Actually, that article is what drew my attention to #! in the first place. I especially admired the defense of Xfce, and found myself agreeing with the other points as a result.
@omns, thank you!
<3
I feel so much more educated now. Also, I feel like all of the chaos and 1000s of threads I've been reading through and commenting on and jumping around lately now makes more sense - I have a more clear "big picture" idea of whats going on. Therefore, many thanks for the find!
What i like about ubuntu is that its much easier to obtain and install proprietary drivers. In the past i gave up on using debian due to its incompatibility with my onboard ATI graphics.
Will this new version of crunchbang still be able to play movies right out of the box? (graphics card, codecs, even mttscorefonts, etc...)
Second, i also greatly appreciate the fact that my wireless card worked right out the box, which is handy when all you have is wireless on your notebook/netbook. Will the proprietary drivers for those still be available?
And finally....will you be switching from firefox to chromium? its alot faster. (IMHO)
In the past i gave up on using debian due to its incompatibility with my onboard ATI graphics.
If you normally use the Catalyst drivers, you will have to wait for version 10.4 to come out.
Will this new version of crunchbang still be able to play movies right out of the box?
It should since its still using VLC.
This was a great interview. I had some lingering questions about the switch from Ubuntu to Debian but this pretty much cleared it up. I really liked the fact that there was no bashing of Ubuntu and its derivatives, no I am not a Ubuntu fan boy I am a proud Salix fan boy! Thank you for posting this.
purplebic wrote:Will this new version of crunchbang still be able to play movies right out of the box?
It should since its still using VLC.
Statler alpha doesn't include all the bad, ugly, and indifferent codecs that #! 9.04 has. It does play DVD's out-of-the-box, but some AVI/MPG/FLV files may require a download or three.
anonymous wrote:purplebic wrote:Will this new version of crunchbang still be able to play movies right out of the box?
It should since its still using VLC.
Statler alpha doesn't include all the bad, ugly, and indifferent codecs that #! 9.04 has. It does play DVD's out-of-the-box, but some AVI/MPG/FLV files may require a download or three.
Are you positve? I'm not on statler to test, but i thought vlc was self-contained and didnt /really/ care which codecs you had.
Maybe vlc doesn't; I've always preferred Totem for video. Maybe since the new version of vlc has a more integrated interface than it had in the past, it might handle video playlists better than the previous version. (For the materials I would watch, vlc would close the playback window at the end of the video file, then open a new window for the next one. I found this annoying as hell.)
Anyone feeling like really getting down and studying Debian from the inside might want a look at this page I've just found:
Debian Reference
Well, it's all an eye opener, especially "The Red Devil" interview.
Downloaded and ready to check MD5sum and play with LiveCD
Any ideas as to ... no wait, offtopic, needs a new thread.
@johnraff:thanx, bookmarked.
Loving the change. I kept trying to make (remaster) my own distribution of Linux similar and light to #!, but would eventually give up. #! has always been my favorite distribution but Debian was easily faster and more responsive than Ubuntu so I totally welcome the switch myself. XFCE is as nice as Openbox in my opinion.
In all honesty, I believe that this is a direction in making CB a more serious distribution.
While my knowledge is still limited, it makes a great deal of sense of basing your version off of one Linux directly rather than from one that is derived from another (ubuntu -> debian). I think it really brings CB closer to being its own even more unique and powerful setup.
Last edited by cain (2010-05-31 14:57:18)
BEfore reading that article I wasn't aware that people didn't think Xfce was light, I use Mint 7 Xfce and it works fine and dandy. It's my WM of choice (I've only ever tried Xfce, LXDE, GNOME and KDE). I'm very happy for the Debian switch though b/c my experiences with Debian XFCE in the past were very pleasurable and I'm hoping you guys can pleasure me too with the switch.
BEfore reading that article I wasn't aware that people didn't think Xfce was light, I use Mint 7 Xfce and it works fine and dandy. It's my WM of choice (I've only ever tried Xfce, LXDE, GNOME and KDE). I'm very happy for the Debian switch though b/c my experiences with Debian XFCE in the past were very pleasurable and I'm hoping you guys can pleasure me too with the switch.
I don't know about "everyone" here but when #! was an Ubuntu based release people were referring to the fact that Ubuntu Xfce4 was bloated. With other distros Xfce4 is indeed light, and I'd venture to say corenominal has probably got the lightest "default install of Xfce4" going.
I think that you will be very pleasantly surprised with #! Xfce4
I think that you will be very pleasantly surprised with #! Xfce4
I was actually going to install the Openbox version, thanks anyway though. I've never used Openbox before so it'll be a first.
Sector11 wrote:I think that you will be very pleasantly surprised with #! Xfce4
I was actually going to install the Openbox version, thanks anyway though. I've never used Openbox before so it'll be a first.
I switched from Xfce to OpenBox when I installed #! - will probably never go back to Xfce. Having said that I plan of putting #! Xfce on a second partition just to play with it - I have tested the LiveCD.
I switched from Xfce to OpenBox when I installed #! - will probably never go back to Xfce.
Never say never 
I think I said the same thing once and am now back using Xfce exclusively again
Sector11 wrote:I switched from Xfce to OpenBox when I installed #! - will probably never go back to Xfce.
Never say never
I did use the word probably I am not so rigid that I would carve it in stone.
I do really like the way Xfce4 works in Statler, I have never seen the menu like that before.
I do really like the way Xfce4 works in Statler, I have never seen the menu like that before.
? it's just a default menu
Sector11 wrote:I do really like the way Xfce4 works in Statler, I have never seen the menu like that before.
? it's just a default menu
Think I have, every Linux distro that has Xfce as the default desktop. Hence, my Xfce fanatic-ness.
The Xfce 'right-click' menu in #!Statler is not the basic/generic menu for Xfce.
This is the only distro that has the Xfce 'right-click' menu exactly like this.
All the other Xfce distros have the Menu slightly different ... even the new Archbang 2010.6 uses the 'other' menu configuration.
This isn't a "bad" thing ... it's just different.
I like the right-click menu configuration that corenominal has set-up for #!Statler. Don't change it.
The pipe-menu configuration is better in #! Xfce than in other Xfce-based distros... that is the difference.
However ... I am totally in love with Openbox. Lighter and faster than Xfce.
Last edited by vrkalak (2010-06-13 23:49:41)
The Xfce 'right-click' menu in #!Statler is not the basic/generic menu for Xfce.
Yes it is. The only difference is that all other distros have the Xfce desktop enabled. You can easily tweak the other distros to be like Statler.
^ is correct, but you may not get the same CRUNCH! BANG! 
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^ That's up all three responses to omns's original "? it's just a default menu"
vrkalak put it a lot better than I could have. And while anonymous says it is the same, but that other distros have the desktop enabled, it does make it different.
Great but for a non computer geek - that means that #! Statler Xfce IS different, as it uses the Xfce4 menus without the Xfce Desktop. I would not have a clue about how to go about achieving that.
So I have never seen the menu like that before - they have always been in the panel. 
Last edited by Sector11 (2010-06-14 00:35:18)
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