Re: The change to Debian explained

Sector11 wrote:

I would not have a clue about how to go about achieving that.

http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/post/49963/#p49963

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^ yes, it's the first thing I do on any Xfce based distro I try. Follow the steps at the link above and any distros desktop can look like CrunchBang smile I've posted a number of screenshots over the last 12 months or so using different distros (zenwalk, arch, debian, fedora, salix) and no-one has ever said "Hey, that's not CrunchBang" and usually no one has said "hey that's not openbox" either. Unless of course I included the menu wink

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anonymous wrote:
Sector11 wrote:

I would not have a clue about how to go about achieving that.

http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/post/49963/#p49963

Gotta love that guy anonymous, always has an answer.  At the time I was using Xubu I did not know about #! and did not even imagine Xfce without the panels.

Today I have no need, just install #! Xfce v10  big_smile

But thank you for the link, always a good think to learn something.

Re: The change to Debian explained

omns wrote:

I've posted a number of screenshots over the last 12 months or so using different distros (zenwalk, arch, debian, fedora, salix)

I noticed the Zenwalk and Debian ones but I missed the others. Have you really tried Arch and Fedora?

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anonymous wrote:

Have you really tried Arch and Fedora?

Um... yes, amongst others. Is that a trick question? My usual process is to install something (mostly in a vbox), setup the desktop how I like it (tint2, conky, no icons on desktop), test it for usability and then either ditch it or keep it for further monitoring. I'll admit that Arch and Fedora didn't hang around long. Arch brought back to many bad memories and Fedora was exactly what I thought it would be - RPM hell. Does this explain enough or would you like a list of every other OS I've tested and my views on it?

The main point I thought I was making here was that any distro can 'look' like CrunchBang.

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omns wrote:

....The main point I thought I was making here was that any distro can 'look' like CrunchBang.

Um.  I agree.  Looking like doesn't make it -- there's an old boy here in town that has a 1974 Volkswagen Super Beetle that looks like a Rolls Royce.  But looking like...  hmm

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omns wrote:

^ yes, it's the first thing I do on any Xfce based distro I try. Follow the steps at the link above and any distros desktop can look like CrunchBang smile I've posted a number of screenshots over the last 12 months or so using different distros (zenwalk, arch, debian, fedora, salix) and no-one has ever said "Hey, that's not CrunchBang" and usually no one has said "hey that's not openbox" either. Unless of course I included the menu wink

Acronym    Definition
OMNS    Open Network Management System

Obviously you are managing quite nicely! Although I would not refer to you as a System lol

And should be: ONMS - the acronym not you?

Re: The change to Debian explained

omns wrote:

Does this explain enough or would you like a list of every other OS I've tested and my views on it?

Yeah, its enough. Though I am curious what "bad memories" were brought on by Arch.

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Though I am curious what "bad memories" were brought on by Arch.

Well first, Arch is a wonderful OS that I had many happy memories of using and it still tempts me from time to time. I don't think I really understood how Linux worked until using Arch on a permanent basis and it gave me the grounding to confidently use pretty much any Os I like because it taught me what is happening 'under the hood' as they say. Pacman is an excellent package management system and the depth of the AUR speaks for itself.

When I used it as my main os some years ago I was a dedicated gnome user. It was like a breath of fresh air compared to SuSE and Ubuntu and I got to choose which parts of gnome I wanted and didn't want on my system. I was a very happy camper. Then one day a system update brought on the most spectacular system crash. I lost important data and the whole experience turned me off.

Now each time when I look at it again I'm wary of trusting it and to be honest the whole set up process is to time consuming in terms of how I now prefer to setup a system. That said once up and running to your liking it is simple and easy to maintain.

So I guess it would be fairer of me to say that Arch is a great OS. I'd recommend it to anyone wanting a more hands on experience with Linux. My negatives with it are personal although I have other friends who've had similar breakage experiences. Perhaps it's more of a gnome thing than anything else.

These days I guess I'm getting older and lazier and I just want an OS that is simple to install and pretty much meets my needs out of the box. This is how I found my way here in the first place although I'll admit that a basic netinstall and a good build script still grabs my attention the most. 

Of the distributions I've looked at in recent times I think Salix OS impresses me the most. It is somewhat similar to CrunchBang in that it tries to stay as close to it's mothership (in this case slackware) as possible. It's package selection follows the one app for each task philosophy and they have a nice set of defaults . Of dear, what a ramble. Time to stop smile

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Thanks for sharing that omns smile

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@ omns

Ditto, thanks for sharing that. Quite the testement.

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Good story.  Sad, but good.

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Hey, any chance of you guys putting in a different installer for CrunchBang? I mean I like the Debian move and all but the Ubuntu installer is easier to use in my opinion and the reason I like #! in the first place is its ease of use.

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Re: The change to Debian explained

CrunchyFree wrote:

Hey, any chance of you guys putting in a different installer for CrunchBang? I mean I like the Debian move and all but the Ubuntu installer is easier to use in my opinion and the reason I like #! in the first place is its ease of use.

"You guys is not exactly the case here tongue

Re: The change to Debian explained

CrunchyFree wrote:

Hey, any chance of you guys putting in a different installer for CrunchBang?

See the last section of post1 in this thread http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic … ss-report/

Re: The change to Debian explained

omns wrote:
CrunchyFree wrote:

Hey, any chance of you guys putting in a different installer for CrunchBang?

See the last section of post1 in this thread http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic … ss-report/

I am happy to report that I am actively working on improving the installation experience. There will not be a live GUI installer for the next build, but the existing installer should be much easier to use. smile

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corenominal wrote:

I am happy to report that I am actively working on improving the installation experience. There will not be a live GUI installer for the next build, but the existing installer should be much easier to use. smile

I agree, the Debian text installer is fairly simple, but robust. I didn't realize it was able to automatically configure LVM / RAID / LUKS until earlier this year (wonder when the Arch installer will get that...)

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Just dropping in to say that this has renewed my interest in #!.  I'm primarily an Arch user, but I have a love-hate relationship with Arch, sort of like the relationship the guy from Fight Club has with Marla Singer before he figures out that he and Tyler Durden are actually the same person.  I think I'll enjoy #! for a while.

Just don't suddenly decide to institute a pink & purple default color scheme, that's all I ask.  I don't want a linux distro whose every default seems like OS X and Vista had a vodka & cocaine-fueled one night stand that they would both regret if they were able to remember it.

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Re: The change to Debian explained

It seems like I wasn't able to find a thread were it was given actual response to whether Crunchbang is goind to be Squeeze (as it is going to be the stable release) based or debian testing? smile

Cheers smile

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bozhkov wrote:

It seems like I wasn't able to find a thread were it was given actual response to whether Crunchbang is goind to be Squeeze (as it is going to be the stable release) based or debian testing? smile

Statler is currently Squeeze (not Testing) and that will probably be the default for the final release.

Switching to Testing or Unstable is as simple as editing /etc/apt/sources.list! I switched to Unstable on one machine just for fun.

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snowpine wrote:
bozhkov wrote:

It seems like I wasn't able to find a thread were it was given actual response to whether Crunchbang is goind to be Squeeze (as it is going to be the stable release) based or debian testing? smile

Statler is currently Squeeze (not Testing) and that will probably be the default for the final release.

Switching to Testing or Unstable is as simple as editing /etc/apt/sources.list! I switched to Unstable on one machine just for fun.

Correct me if I'm wrong ... but isn't "squeeze" testing?  By leaving squeeze in the sources.list #! Statler will be based on "stable" when Squeeze goes stable ... I think ... but I have been wrong on occasion. smile

I was just going to say that the: /etc/apt/sources.list  kinda, almost but not quite points to which direction "#!" is going... BUT like you say, change one word ... squeeze to testing ... or unstable ... and you're on a roller coaster.  smile

CAPITALIST!  lol "on one machine" ???  scheech ... I only have one ... and I'm "squeezing" it!  cool

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Re: The change to Debian explained

Sector11 wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong ... but isn't "squeeze" testing?

At this moment, Squeeze is the same as testing. Later, Squeeze will replace Lenny as the new Stable.

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anonymous wrote:
Sector11 wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong ... but isn't "squeeze" testing?

At this moment, Squeeze is the same as testing. Later, Squeeze will replace Lenny as the new Stable.


So I was right ... cool First time today.

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So the "stable" Staler will be based on Squeeze, not on testing? I ask, because as you may know software in debian stable tend to age with time. Is Crunchbang going to make bigger use of it's own repository to repackage versions from testing or the long-term strategy is to "jump" to testing before Debian 7 is released?

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Not wanting to put words into Philip's mouth here, but I think the long-term plan is to stick with Squeeze for Statler.  As has been mentioned, individual users should continue to feel free to change etc/apt/sources.list and etc/apt/preferences to point to testing or unstable/sid if they want to keep rollin'.

Perhaps CrunchBang Waldorf will be based on the next Debian release...

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